Petition to move Shooting venue to a permanent site 2012 Olympics

Post by Sarah Cooper
Please sign the petition to the government to build a permanent site and
move the 2012 Olympic Shooting sports venue away from Woolwich Barracks.
For more details and to sign please go to
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/OlympicShooting/

The thing is though, by signing that, you are just wasting your own
time.
No-one takes any notice of petitions, especially email/web signed ones.
I was thinking of this subject this morning - why on earth they cannot
use Bisley I dont know - another possibiltiy was Dartford.
Both of these would then be used for many years in their intended use,
so will not be a complete waste of money.
Chucking £18m at either of those sites would get the best shooting
facilities in the world, yet these organisiers think they can just
fritter it away on a 2 week competition, then flatten the land
afterwards.
It doesnt surprise me, as these people think they are not accountable to
anyone - another £500m for the stadium, "oh well, we'll have to get a
bit more from the taxpayers, they wont mind" seems to be their
attitiude.

I think letters to the Olympic organising committee is the only way that
such a campaign can get noticed, and even then, it seems they are set in
their ways. I know the CPSA and other groups have tried to change their
ideas to no avail.

Alan.

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Sarah Cooper

2007-12-19 17:48:15 UTC

Post by +.com (A.Lee)
I think letters to the Olympic organising committee is the only way that
such a campaign can get noticed,

JOOI, when did you send yours and how many others did you manage to get
to do the same?

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Joe Bridgehouse

2007-12-19 22:03:45 UTC

Post by +.com (A.Lee)
I think letters to the Olympic organising committee is the only way that
such a campaign can get noticed,

JOOI, when did you send yours and how many others did you manage to get
to do the same?
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By 2012 we'll probably be shooting virtual clays

Sarah Cooper

2007-12-20 11:03:25 UTC

In article

Post by +.com (A.Lee)
I think letters to the Olympic organising committee is the only way that
such a campaign can get noticed,

JOOI, when did you send yours and how many others did you manage to get
to do the same?
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SCoop

By 2012 we'll probably be shooting virtual clays

you're probably not wrong :-)

Joe Bridgehouse

2007-12-20 12:28:15 UTC

Post by Sarah Cooper
In article

Post by +.com (A.Lee)
I think letters to the Olympic organising committee is the only way that
such a campaign can get noticed,

JOOI, when did you send yours and how many others did you manage to get
to do the same?
--
SCoop

By 2012 we'll probably be shooting virtual clays

you're probably not wrong :-)

The sports minister rang me this morning over the problems I've been
having with my local housing, He's my MP,
he was very concerned about the way I've been treated and about
shooting in general, after the conversation I felt a burden had been
lifted,
He was very pro clay-shooting.
Joe Bridgehouse
Oh and Merry Christmas Sarah

Sarah Cooper

2007-12-20 13:34:03 UTC

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Post by Joe Bridgehouse
By 2012 we'll probably be shooting virtual clays

you're probably not wrong :-)

nice to hear some good news for once. A Very Merry Christmas to you too!

Derek

2007-12-26 12:57:42 UTC

The govt has a track record of ignoring petitions no matter how many
signatories are attached.The website in my opinion is just another PR
excercise. I have signed up for a number of campaigns and the smarmy replies
I got afterwards all had a common theme, thank you for wasting your time but
we are ignoring your concerns becuase we are about to do continue based on
the flawed information we already had , the damming information you supply
is too late sonny .
The only thing they understand is publicity ( explains a 300% increase in
press officers at #10) shine a light on their stupidity and they will take
notice. Show a huge saving in funds and benefits after the event and spamm
every news office you can find.Start with the locals and the shooting press
who are more likely to pick it up, then the dailys.
Derek

Joe Bridgehouse

2007-12-29 01:53:25 UTC

I've never been able to understand the "I'm all right Jack attitude"
that shooters display when sections of shooting are under threat.
The treatment I've received from my local housing has national
implications for anyone in rented housing. I've been threatened with
eviction because I have a drug dealer next door, who has a steady
stream of customers 24/7, whom I complained about. Because I
complained the housing trust took action against me. My local police
firearms were furious at their authority being circumvented, but
health and safety was used as a means, it was feared I might shoot the
druggies, I found this insulting and defamatory.
Yet during the fight I've been involved in no one has offered any
advice, even though as I've said there are National implications in
the fight I'm having, for anyone in rented housing
My MP is very concerned about the situation, and he is the Sports
minister.
He also has a friend in the same housing trust who shoots.
I have written to Shooting mags about this, but they don't publish,
cos they say its a personal matter, but it dont alter the fact that my
new Krieghoff is 30 Fucking miles away and not on my licence.

Derek

2007-12-29 02:17:32 UTC

Surely the housing trust are infringing your human rights

Human Rights Act 1998
Article 7 No punishment without law
1 No one shall be held guilty of any criminal offence on account of any act
or omission which did not constitute a criminal offence under national or
international law at the time when it was committed. Nor shall a heavier
penalty be imposed than the one that was applicable at the time the criminal
offence was committed.

2 This Article shall not prejudice the trial and punishment of any person
for any act or omission which, at the time when it was committed, was
criminal according to the general principles of law recognised by civilised
nations.

Article 8 Right to respect for private and family life
1 Everyone has the right to respect for his private and family life, his
home and his correspondence.

2 There shall be no interference by a public authority with the exercise of
this right except such as is in accordance with the law and is necessary in
a democratic society in the interests of national security, public safety or
the economic well-being of the country, for the prevention of disorder or
crime, for the protection of health or morals, or for the protection of the
rights and freedoms of others.

Article 17 Prohibition of abuse of rights
Nothing in this Convention may be interpreted as implying for any State,
group or person any right to engage in any activity or perform any act aimed
at the destruction of any of the rights and freedoms set forth herein or at
their limitation to a greater extent than is provided for in the Convention.

and by any disclosure that you own firearms to them somebody else is in
breach of data protection?

Derek

newsreader

2007-12-29 15:30:23 UTC

Surely the housing trust are infringing your human rights
Human Rights Act 1998
Article 7 No punishment without law
1 No one shall be held guilty of any criminal offence on account of any act
or omission which did not constitute a criminal offence under national or
international law at the time when it was committed. Nor shall a heavier
penalty be imposed than the one that was applicable at the time the criminal
offence was committed.
2 This Article shall not prejudice the trial and punishment of any person
for any act or omission which, at the time when it was committed, was
criminal according to the general principles of law recognised by civilised
nations.
Article 8 Right to respect for private and family life
1 Everyone has the right to respect for his private and family life, his
home and his correspondence.
2 There shall be no interference by a public authority with the exercise of
this right except such as is in accordance with the law and is necessary in
a democratic society in the interests of national security, public safety or
the economic well-being of the country, for the prevention of disorder or
crime, for the protection of health or morals, or for the protection of the
rights and freedoms of others.
Article 17 Prohibition of abuse of rights
Nothing in this Convention may be interpreted as implying for any State,
group or person any right to engage in any activity or perform any act aimed
at the destruction of any of the rights and freedoms set forth herein or at
their limitation to a greater extent than is provided for in the Convention.
and by any disclosure that you own firearms to them somebody else is in
breach of data protection?
Derek

HRA seems to cover it but how to use it without it costing mega money ??

Local Authorities regularly ignore the Law. Local Government is a
cesspit since HMG pushed down responsibility for so many things.

The drug dealer is still in business I presume. So his 'rights' to
pursue his scumbag trade are protected apparently.
Can't help but wonder why the police have not just raided him and put
him out of business..
I believe the Inland Revenue always follow up anonymous tips, I wonder
of the dealer declares all his income...
It is a scandalous situation but is in line with the reasons why HMG
will spend millions on a temporary facility for the Games and then tear
it down. Regulars here will remember well that the beeb could not
broadcast live a MAJOR event due to 'technical issues' when it was
beamed live to Australia (as Mr Diamond was in the running).
the fact is that for years HMG have had a dictat that NOTHING will
happen that puts shooting in a good light. As for wasting millions on
this temporary facility - they do not care, after all it is not their
money it is ours.
Meanwhile gun crime rises....which HMG uses relentlessly to berate 'gun
culture'...

The politics behind this is the reason Joe is in this scandalous
situation and is the reason that no-one in authority wants to champion it.

Come the lottery I would pay for a good HR lawyer to take on his case,
Mrs Blair maybe... Best bet is his MP but as they are a Minister the
chances of them actually rocking the boat seem small.

No concrete help for Joe in my tirade but sometimes you gotta 'launch'.

The fire eating lawyer probably his only real chance IMV. As the
background to this is national as Joe rightly says I suppose it would
take publicity and some fund raising to pay for it.

Come the lottery you have my promise Joe.

Joe Bridgehouse

2007-12-29 22:36:34 UTC

Post by newsreader

Surely the housing trust are infringing your human rights
Human Rights Act 1998
Article 7 No punishment without law
1 No one shall be held guilty of any criminal offence on account of any act
or omission which did not constitute a criminal offence under national or
international law at the time when it was committed. Nor shall a heavier
penalty be imposed than the one that was applicable at the time the criminal
offence was committed.
2 This Article shall not prejudice the trial and punishment of any person
for any act or omission which, at the time when it was committed, was
criminal according to the general principles of law recognised by civilised
nations.
Article 8 Right to respect for private and family life
1 Everyone has the right to respect for his private and family life, his
home and his correspondence.
2 There shall be no interference by a public authority with the exercise of
this right except such as is in accordance with the law and is necessary in
a democratic society in the interests of national security, public safety or
the economic well-being of the country, for the prevention of disorder or
crime, for the protection of health or morals, or for the protection of the
rights and freedoms of others.
Article 17 Prohibition of abuse of rights
Nothing in this Convention may be interpreted as implying for any State,
group or person any right to engage in any activity or perform any act aimed
at the destruction of any of the rights and freedoms set forth herein or at
their limitation to a greater extent than is provided for in the Convention.
and by any disclosure that you own firearms to them somebody else is in
breach of data protection?
Derek

HRA seems to cover it but how to use it without it costing mega money ??
Local Authorities regularly ignore the Law. Local Government is a
cesspit since HMG pushed down responsibility for so many things.
The drug dealer is still in business I presume. So his 'rights' to
pursue his scumbag trade are protected apparently.
Can't help but wonder why the police have not just raided him and put
him out of business..
I believe the Inland Revenue always follow up anonymous tips, I wonder
of the dealer declares all his income...
It is a scandalous situation but is in line with the reasons why HMG
will spend millions on a temporary facility for the Games and then tear
it down. Regulars here will remember well that the beeb could not
broadcast live a MAJOR event due to 'technical issues' when it was
beamed live to Australia (as Mr Diamond was in the running).
the fact is that for years HMG have had a dictat that NOTHING will
happen that puts shooting in a good light. As for wasting millions on
this temporary facility - they do not care, after all it is not their
money it is ours.
Meanwhile gun crime rises....which HMG uses relentlessly to berate 'gun
culture'...
The politics behind this is the reason Joe is in this scandalous
situation and is the reason that no-one in authority wants to champion it.
Come the lottery I would pay for a good HR lawyer to take on his case,
Mrs Blair maybe... Best bet is his MP but as they are a Minister the
chances of them actually rocking the boat seem small.
No concrete help for Joe in my tirade but sometimes you gotta 'launch'.
The fire eating lawyer probably his only real chance IMV. As the
background to this is national as Joe rightly says I suppose it would
take publicity and some fund raising to pay for it.
Come the lottery you have my promise Joe.

I have been to solicitors, but as soon as you mention the word
firearm, they don't want to know, "Go to citizens advice" is all I
get.
I hope the sports minister comes good for me. He says the trust are on
very dodgey ground because of the fact that I've been here since 1996,
and my original tenancy was with Tameside MBC, who then sold off all
their housing stock to a trust called New charter in 2001, they
apparently moved the goal posts.
The Minister says he's concerned for he doesn't know of any other
housing trust who have taken this stand, and it does have National
implications, he also suggested I contact the CPSA and inquire if the
insurance covered taking legal action, it doesn't.
The drug dealer has been raided 3 times twice by armed response teams,
for he does have handguns, he's shown me, but the police have never
found anything, draw your own conclusions, I have. The Minister also
asked for my licensing officers name and tel No, he was going to ask
them for an explaination.
I shall be moving next year, and I wont have this problem, but I have
to see this through, cos I'm stubborn, and I've been treated
disgracefully.
I've been in touch with Alan Rhone for a spare stock for the K80, its
beautiful, so at least I'll have a bit of my gun at home.
New Charter say no gun, legal or not, part of, ammunition, within
100yds of my home, they can go swivel when I'm rubbing the stock.

Joe Bridgehouse

2007-12-29 22:48:41 UTC

Post by newsreader

Surely the housing trust are infringing your human rights
Human Rights Act 1998
Article 7 No punishment without law
1 No one shall be held guilty of any criminal offence on account of any act
or omission which did not constitute a criminal offence under national or
international law at the time when it was committed. Nor shall a heavier
penalty be imposed than the one that was applicable at the time the criminal
offence was committed.
2 This Article shall not prejudice the trial and punishment of any person
for any act or omission which, at the time when it was committed, was
criminal according to the general principles of law recognised by civilised
nations.
Article 8 Right to respect for private and family life
1 Everyone has the right to respect for his private and family life, his
home and his correspondence.
2 There shall be no interference by a public authority with the exercise of
this right except such as is in accordance with the law and is necessary in
a democratic society in the interests of national security, public safety or
the economic well-being of the country, for the prevention of disorder or
crime, for the protection of health or morals, or for the protection of the
rights and freedoms of others.
Article 17 Prohibition of abuse of rights
Nothing in this Convention may be interpreted as implying for any State,
group or person any right to engage in any activity or perform any act aimed
at the destruction of any of the rights and freedoms set forth herein or at
their limitation to a greater extent than is provided for in the Convention.
and by any disclosure that you own firearms to them somebody else is in
breach of data protection?
Derek

HRA seems to cover it but how to use it without it costing mega money ??
Local Authorities regularly ignore the Law. Local Government is a
cesspit since HMG pushed down responsibility for so many things.
The drug dealer is still in business I presume. So his 'rights' to
pursue his scumbag trade are protected apparently.
Can't help but wonder why the police have not just raided him and put
him out of business..
I believe the Inland Revenue always follow up anonymous tips, I wonder
of the dealer declares all his income...
It is a scandalous situation but is in line with the reasons why HMG
will spend millions on a temporary facility for the Games and then tear
it down. Regulars here will remember well that the beeb could not
broadcast live a MAJOR event due to 'technical issues' when it was
beamed live to Australia (as Mr Diamond was in the running).
the fact is that for years HMG have had a dictat that NOTHING will
happen that puts shooting in a good light. As for wasting millions on
this temporary facility - they do not care, after all it is not their
money it is ours.
Meanwhile gun crime rises....which HMG uses relentlessly to berate 'gun
culture'...
The politics behind this is the reason Joe is in this scandalous
situation and is the reason that no-one in authority wants to champion it.
Come the lottery I would pay for a good HR lawyer to take on his case,
Mrs Blair maybe... Best bet is his MP but as they are a Minister the
chances of them actually rocking the boat seem small.
No concrete help for Joe in my tirade but sometimes you gotta 'launch'.
The fire eating lawyer probably his only real chance IMV. As the
background to this is national as Joe rightly says I suppose it would
take publicity and some fund raising to pay for it.
Come the lottery you have my promise Joe.

Its off topic, but I forgot to thank Katie Krieghoff, I took her
advice when I bought the K80 in March.
Oh and I bought 2000 RC Prestige today £150 a thou

william welch

2008-01-08 10:24:25 UTC