Countrywide Cartridges / prices

Post by Tim Guy
Someone was telling me that Countrywide stores have their own brand
'Tesco value' cartridges.
Anyone know if thats true?
My clay busters are currently 115quid for Fibre 7.5s per 1000.. Gone up
from 100, to 105. Suggested maybe 125/130 next batch.
Whats everyone else paying at the moment.
I know vips have gone through the roof now..
tim

http://shotgunreport.com/TechTech/TechnoidArchive/24-Aug-07.pdf

Tim Guy

2007-10-08 10:32:12 UTC

http://shotgunreport.com/TechTech/TechnoidArchive/24-Aug-07.pdf

Your inplying that the price will come down again at some stage? With the
yanks offloading it to protect there morgage problems and the chinese stock
piling it and not giving it back Im not 100% sure.

Also appears to take 4-6months from price drop for it to filter through to
shooter.

Ill always take the sh1ttyest cartridge I can with the auto, Im not proud.
Ill draw the line at something like the Eily First Fibrewads as there as
dirty as anything.. The Claybusters have been good to me.. I know people
moan about them but Ive had maybe one duffer in 10thou, and that still
fired, just shot alot of confetty out at the same time.. lol..

Much more than reload the hulls i suppose its grin an bare it.. I liked the
idea of these Countrywide ones but I dont know if its a myth or not?

Tim

David Christensen

2007-10-08 21:52:30 UTC

*Date:* Mon, 08 Oct 2007 10:32:12 GMT

Post by Tim Guy
Someone was telling me that Countrywide stores have their own

brand >> 'Tesco value' cartridges.

Post by Tim Guy
Anyone know if thats true?
My clay busters are currently 115quid for Fibre 7.5s per 1000..

Gone up >> from 100, to 105. Suggested maybe 125/130 next batch.

Post by Tim Guy
Whats everyone else paying at the moment.
I know vips have gone through the roof now..
tim

http://shotgunreport.com/TechTech/TechnoidArchive/24-Aug-07.pdf

Your inplying that the price will come down again at some stage?
With the yanks offloading it to protect there morgage problems and
the chinese stock piling it and not giving it back Im not 100% sure.
Also appears to take 4-6months from price drop for it to filter
through to shooter.
Ill always take the sh1ttyest cartridge I can with the auto, Im not
proud. Ill draw the line at something like the Eily First Fibrewads
as there as dirty as anything.. The Claybusters have been good to
me.. I know people moan about them but Ive had maybe one duffer in
10thou, and that still fired, just shot alot of confetty out at the
same time.. lol..
Much more than reload the hulls i suppose its grin an bare it.. I
liked the idea of these Countrywide ones but I dont know if its a
myth or not?
Tim

Ignoring the amount of smoke that comes out of the end, have you actually
pattern tested the cheap cartridges?

DC

Tim Guy

2007-10-13 07:01:37 UTC

Post by David Christensen
Ignoring the amount of smoke that comes out of the end, have you actually
pattern tested the cheap cartridges?
DC

You mean it might not be my shooting after all? lol

Yes, tried them on a whitewash board.. Certainly happy with it.. Although
didnt have a chance to compare with others at that distance, on the day, as
we were all shooting busters.

Used them for about 18 months now.. I would say that my hit rate hasnt
dropped, Im not actually sure it could go any lower.

I shoot with the same people week in week out and my level between them has
stayed..

Never been a good long lead shooter, as to if the buster pattern isnt good
at the end of the throw.. I dunno..

Tim

superx

2007-10-10 15:27:01 UTC

Post by Tim Guy
Someone was telling me that Countrywide stores have their own brand 'Tesco
value' cartridges.
Anyone know if thats true?
My clay busters are currently 115quid for Fibre 7.5s per 1000.. Gone up
from 100, to 105. Suggested maybe 125/130 next batch.
Whats everyone else paying at the moment.
I know vips have gone through the roof now..
tim

I have found a farm suppliers who are selling Winchester X2's at the old old
rate of £100.80 per k - a few of us have just bought 12k - not my cartridge
of choice but I can't fault them - as good as Express HV and Eley Blues.
We have had a few problems with Claybusters and won't use them anymore --
had a shock Sunday - one of the lads went to local gun shop and had to buy
their own loads £160k - could have got Express Supers cheaper.

Dave

Fat Dicky

2007-10-10 16:58:13 UTC

But what about storage costs? If you have that many cartridges in
un-licensed storage you are contravening the 'exposive storage' regulations
and are likely to be in hell of a heap of trouble?

Richard

I have found a farm suppliers who are selling Winchester X2's at the old
old rate of £100.80 per k - a few of us have just bought 12k - not my
cartridge of choice but I can't fault them - as good as Express HV and
Eley Blues.
We have had a few problems with Claybusters and won't use them anymore --
had a shock Sunday - one of the lads went to local gun shop and had to buy
their own loads £160k - could have got Express Supers cheaper.
Dave

superx

2007-10-10 18:05:20 UTC

Post by Fat Dicky
But what about storage costs? If you have that many cartridges in
un-licensed storage you are contravening the 'exposive storage'
regulations and are likely to be in hell of a heap of trouble?
Richard

I have found a farm suppliers who are selling Winchester X2's at the old
old rate of £100.80 per k - a few of us have just bought 12k - not my
cartridge of choice but I can't fault them - as good as Express HV and
Eley Blues.
We have had a few problems with Claybusters and won't use them anymore --
had a shock Sunday - one of the lads went to local gun shop and had to
buy their own loads £160k - could have got Express Supers cheaper.
Dave

12k between a group = a few thousand each - I was under the impession 10k
was limit??? correct me please.

Dave

Fat Dicky

2007-10-10 18:42:09 UTC

Under the explosive regs you are limited to no more than 5 kg of 'shooters
powder'. I understand that 1000 cartridges will have an explosives content
of around 1.5 kg (has anyone got a more exact figure please?). So if you
have more than 3500 ish cartridges you are over the 5 kg limit.

SI 2005 1082 refers.

HTH

Richard

I have found a farm suppliers who are selling Winchester X2's at the old
old rate of £100.80 per k - a few of us have just bought 12k - not my
cartridge of choice but I can't fault them - as good as Express HV and
Eley Blues.
We have had a few problems with Claybusters and won't use them
anymore -- had a shock Sunday - one of the lads went to local gun shop
and had to buy their own loads £160k - could have got Express Supers
cheaper.
Dave

12k between a group = a few thousand each - I was under the impession 10k
was limit??? correct me please.
Dave

Fat Dicky

2007-10-10 19:27:09 UTC

Just done some checking.

Here is some reasonably accurate data.
12 Gauge cartridge
28g load with a muzzle velocity of 400 m/s will have a powder charge
(dependent on powder type and primer type) of around 18 grains, eg 1.16
grammes. Thus 1000 cartridges has an explosive content of 1.166 Kg.

With a limit of 5Kg of explosive content you should not exceed (5000/1166 X
1000) cartridges, eg 4300 (ish)

atb

Richard

Post by Fat Dicky
Under the explosive regs you are limited to no more than 5 kg of 'shooters
powder'. I understand that 1000 cartridges will have an explosives content
of around 1.5 kg (has anyone got a more exact figure please?). So if you
have more than 3500 ish cartridges you are over the 5 kg limit.
SI 2005 1082 refers.
HTH
Richard

Post by Tim Guy
Someone was telling me that Countrywide stores have their own brand
'Tesco value' cartridges.
Anyone know if thats true?
My clay busters are currently 115quid for Fibre 7.5s per 1000.. Gone
up from 100, to 105. Suggested maybe 125/130 next batch.
Whats everyone else paying at the moment.
I know vips have gone through the roof now..
tim

I have found a farm suppliers who are selling Winchester X2's at the
old old rate of £100.80 per k - a few of us have just bought 12k - not
my cartridge of choice but I can't fault them - as good as Express HV
and Eley Blues.
We have had a few problems with Claybusters and won't use them
anymore -- had a shock Sunday - one of the lads went to local gun shop
and had to buy their own loads £160k - could have got Express Supers
cheaper.
Dave

12k between a group = a few thousand each - I was under the impession 10k
was limit??? correct me please.
Dave

David Christensen

2007-10-10 22:18:27 UTC

*Date:* Wed, 10 Oct 2007 19:42:09 +0100
Under the explosive regs you are limited to no more than 5 kg of
'shooters powder'. I understand that 1000 cartridges will have an
explosives content of around 1.5 kg (has anyone got a more exact
figure please?). So if you have more than 3500 ish cartridges you
are over the 5 kg limit.
SI 2005 1082 refers.
HTH
Richard

For pre-loaded shotgun shells ("loaded into small arms ammunition") I
thought the limit was 15kg? So 11000-15000 shells depending on who you
ask.

DC

Dave

2007-10-11 07:46:55 UTC

Hello All,

Try this link it shows the current laws relating to the manufacture and
storage of powders/explosives.
The document is the new legislation/regulations as of 2005

http://www.opsi.gov.uk/si/si2005/20051082.htm

Hope this helps
Regards
Dave (www.kwacs.org.uk)

Fat Dicky

2007-10-11 18:53:50 UTC

Hi,

Yes that's the SI I was referring to in my original post. It's heavy going
(aren't they all) but I can't see any reference to pre-loaded ammo other
than the Schedule 1 exemption list. That sadly doesn't quote any mass of
explosive that I can see. I certainly didn't read it ultra carefully
though. I remember reading some years ago, some guidance notes wrt ths
matter and 5Kg was the figure quoted. If it is 15Kg then I'll be quite
delighted because I get through around 16000 cartridges a year and would
rather only have to buy once a year rather than every 2-3 months, which I
do now.

atb

Richard

Post by Dave
Hello All,
Try this link it shows the current laws relating to the manufacture and
storage of powders/explosives.
The document is the new legislation/regulations as of 2005
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/si/si2005/20051082.htm
Hope this helps
Regards
Dave (www.kwacs.org.uk)

David Christensen

2007-10-11 22:58:43 UTC

*Date:* Thu, 11 Oct 2007 19:53:50 +0100
Hi,
Yes that's the SI I was referring to in my original post. It's
heavy going (aren't they all) but I can't see any reference to
pre-loaded ammo other than the Schedule 1 exemption list. That
sadly doesn't quote any mass of explosive that I can see. I
certainly didn't read it ultra carefully though. I remember reading
some years ago, some guidance notes wrt ths matter and 5Kg was the
figure quoted. If it is 15Kg then I'll be quite delighted because I
get through around 16000 cartridges a year and would rather only
have to buy once a year rather than every 2-3 months, which I do
now.
atb
Richard

I would suggest telephoning your firearms licensing office and asking
them - always very helpful in my experience.

DC

BillR

2007-10-11 22:20:29 UTC

Post by David Christensen

For pre-loaded shotgun shells ("loaded into small arms ammunition") I
thought the limit was 15kg? So 11000-15000 shells depending on who you
ask.
DC

My understanding is that 5kg refers to loose powder and 15kg to the net
powder in cartridges as DC says.

BillR

Dave

2007-10-12 08:00:21 UTC

Hello Richard,

Black powder is subject to a much stricter set of regulations due to it's
nature. Nitro Cellulose is not as volatile therefore subject to less
restrictions with regard to amounts which can be stored and storage
conditions.

Depending on the load in the cartridges if you are permitted to store 15kg
of powder and the cartridge contains a load powered by 20 grains of powder
then theoretically you can store up to 11,574 cartridges.

20 grains = 1.29598g
1kg divided by 1.29598 = 771.61cartridges
771 x 15 = 11,574 cartridges

Hope this helps
Regards
Dave www.kwacs.org.uk

Post by BillR

Post by David Christensen

For pre-loaded shotgun shells ("loaded into small arms ammunition") I
thought the limit was 15kg? So 11000-15000 shells depending on who you
ask.
DC

My understanding is that 5kg refers to loose powder and 15kg to the net
powder in cartridges as DC says.
BillR

Fat Dicky

2007-10-12 18:41:00 UTC

Hi Dave,

Great stuff, thanks for the info. I knew we'd get there in the end. :o)

That's the busiest I've seen this group for ages.

wrt the original sentiment of the thread, I'm currently paying the
following.

Rottweil Special Trap £118/1000 @ Greenfields Sturry
Express Steel (28g) £142/1000 @ Greenfields
Express Steel (24g) £119/1000 @ Country Ways West Malling

atb

Richard

Post by Dave
Hello Richard,
Black powder is subject to a much stricter set of regulations due to it's
nature. Nitro Cellulose is not as volatile therefore subject to less
restrictions with regard to amounts which can be stored and storage
conditions.
Depending on the load in the cartridges if you are permitted to store 15kg
of powder and the cartridge contains a load powered by 20 grains of powder
then theoretically you can store up to 11,574 cartridges.
20 grains = 1.29598g
1kg divided by 1.29598 = 771.61cartridges
771 x 15 = 11,574 cartridges
Hope this helps
Regards
Dave www.kwacs.org.uk

Post by BillR

Post by David Christensen

For pre-loaded shotgun shells ("loaded into small arms ammunition") I
thought the limit was 15kg? So 11000-15000 shells depending on who you
ask.
DC

My understanding is that 5kg refers to loose powder and 15kg to the net
powder in cartridges as DC says.
BillR

BillR

2007-10-15 15:24:24 UTC

Post by Fat Dicky
Hi Dave,
Great stuff, thanks for the info. I knew we'd get there in the end. :o)
That's the busiest I've seen this group for ages.
wrt the original sentiment of the thread, I'm currently paying the
following.
atb
Richard

Just bought my first steel shot cartridges (Gamebore 24gm £108/1000 inc.
del). A club member gets them from Just Cartridges.

Never shot steel before. I got 7's for skeet. Pellet count is same as 9's
lead (so I'm told).

How do you get on with steel? I will be using skeet chokes.

BillR

Fat Dicky

2007-10-15 18:44:47 UTC

Hi Bill,

I get on fine with them. Have been using them for 18 months, mainly for
skeet but also for sporting if the targets are under 40 metres. It patterns
a lot tighter than lead so I use skeet chokes out to 40 metres too. I don't
believe I have ever lost a target due to pattern density at that range. The
only reason I do revert to lead is for the long stuff, I just feel that the
increased sectional density of lead gives me a better chance, it's more
notion than anything else though.

atb

Richard

Post by BillR
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Post by Fat Dicky
atb
Richard

Just bought my first steel shot cartridges (Gamebore 24gm £108/1000 inc.
del). A club member gets them from Just Cartridges.
Never shot steel before. I got 7's for skeet. Pellet count is same as 9's
lead (so I'm told).
How do you get on with steel? I will be using skeet chokes.
BillR

Tim Guy

2007-10-13 07:07:44 UTC

Post by superx
I have found a farm suppliers who are selling Winchester X2's at the old
old rate of £100.80 per k - a few of us have just bought 12k - not my
cartridge of choice but I can't fault them - as good as Express HV and
Eley Blues.
We have had a few problems with Claybusters and won't use them anymore --
had a shock Sunday - one of the lads went to local gun shop and had to buy
their own loads £160k - could have got Express Supers cheaper.

So you and others have said.. We must have shot thousnands of them and
havent had a issue.

Badged Rios someone said to me once?

Picked up another 2.5k for friends yesterday, they are now 120quid per 1000,
so its on the up.

There was a box of express supers 32g 6's for someone ready to pick up..
230quid per 1000..

Faaaaark..

superx

2007-10-12 12:18:58 UTC

Post by Tim Guy
Someone was telling me that Countrywide stores have their own brand 'Tesco
value' cartridges.
Anyone know if thats true?
My clay busters are currently 115quid for Fibre 7.5s per 1000.. Gone up
from 100, to 105. Suggested maybe 125/130 next batch.
Whats everyone else paying at the moment.
I know vips have gone through the roof now..
tim

Tim

Good post -- seems it's woke everyone up - welcome back all :-))

Dave

Tim Guy

2007-10-13 07:05:17 UTC

Post by superx
Tim
Good post -- seems it's woke everyone up - welcome back all :-))
Dave

I knew if I talked to myself long enough, someone else was bound to join in.

+.com (A.Lee)

2007-10-14 14:50:11 UTC

Post by Tim Guy
Someone was telling me that Countrywide stores have their own brand 'Tesco
value' cartridges.
Anyone know if thats true?

The last time I was in Countrywide, albeit, arouund 4 months ago, they
only had Eley in stock, at prices around £10 more than the shop at
Kibworth, and Kibworth has never been the cheapest place to get
cartridges.

Post by Tim Guy
My clay busters are currently 115quid for Fibre 7.5s per 1000.. Gone up from
100, to 105. Suggested maybe 125/130 next batch.
Whats everyone else paying at the moment.

I went back to Claybusters yesterday, after the Hull DTL300 price had
gone up to £157/1000.
Claybusters are £118 for plastics.
I used Claybusters for nearly a year until April, and found them really
good - a very clean shell, but when compared to DTL300's they do give a
hefty recoil - DTL300's are quite soft in comparison, but at 30% more
cost, I think I'm going to have to put up with the recoil until I win
the lottery.
Alan.

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