Very bad barrel fouling.

[+.com (A.Lee)]

I've finally got my new .410 back at the weekend, I put 50 through it
on Saturday, 40 last night, and 75 today, all using Gamebore 11g No.7,
plastic cartrdges.

Time to clean it when I got home - I have been at it for 45 minutes now,
and still havent got all the crap stuck in the barrels.It seems mostly
to be lead stuck to the barrel walls.

I've never seen a barrel so stuck up with this mess - the bronze brush
came out nearly solid with all the gunk it had removed.
So, what has caused this build-up of lead/dust/plastic?
I've been using 2.5" catridges, when it is chambered for 3" - should I
use 3" all the time, and would this make a difference?
Any other clues?
Thanks
Alan.

[Pan]

Post by +.com (A.Lee)
I've finally got my new .410 back at the weekend, I put 50 through it
on Saturday, 40 last night, and 75 today, all using Gamebore 11g No.7,
plastic cartrdges.
Time to clean it when I got home - I have been at it for 45 minutes now,
and still havent got all the crap stuck in the barrels.It seems mostly
to be lead stuck to the barrel walls.
I've never seen a barrel so stuck up with this mess - the bronze brush
came out nearly solid with all the gunk it had removed.
So, what has caused this build-up of lead/dust/plastic?
I've been using 2.5" catridges, when it is chambered for 3" - should I
use 3" all the time, and would this make a difference?
Any other clues?
Thanks
Alan.
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Hi Alan,

when you say got it back, do you mean from some repairing ? If so,
possible it was greased up. Perhaps a clean before shooting would have
avoided this.

Having said that though, my son has a beretta 687 EELL and the barrels
internally (even though they are supposed to be chromium line or what
ever) have got streaks that we cannot remove. The bronze bush make no
difference.

Sorry can't be of anymore help

Pan.

[+.com (A.Lee)]

Post by Pan

Post by +.com (A.Lee)
I've finally got my new .410 back at the weekend, I put 50 through it
on Saturday, 40 last night, and 75 today, all using Gamebore 11g No.7,
plastic cartrdges.
Time to clean it when I got home - I have been at it for 45 minutes now,
and still havent got all the crap stuck in the barrels.It seems mostly
to be lead stuck to the barrel walls.

when you say got it back, do you mean from some repairing ? If so,
possible it was greased up. Perhaps a clean before shooting would have
avoided this.

I bought it new, a month ago, it went back to the factory the next day,
as the top barrel wasnt firing. The Gun Shop in Northampton had a quick
look, and said they could fix it while I waited, but being as it was
new, they'd rather send it back for a warranty repair.Nickersons then
took 3.5 weeks to do a 20 minute job, which I wasnt very happy with, and
they didnt even clean it(I had fired off 25 shots from the bottom
barrel).
AFAIK, it was quite clean before I fired it, but maybe it was gunked up
with a thick grease.
I may be trying it again this weekend, so I'll see how it goes now.
Alan.

[Derek]

Post by +.com (A.Lee)
I've finally got my new .410 back at the weekend, I put 50 through it
on Saturday, 40 last night, and 75 today, all using Gamebore 11g No.7,
plastic cartrdges.
Time to clean it when I got home - I have been at it for 45 minutes now,
and still havent got all the crap stuck in the barrels.It seems mostly
to be lead stuck to the barrel walls.
I've never seen a barrel so stuck up with this mess - the bronze brush
came out nearly solid with all the gunk it had removed.
So, what has caused this build-up of lead/dust/plastic?
I've been using 2.5" catridges, when it is chambered for 3" - should I
use 3" all the time, and would this make a difference?
Any other clues?
Thanks
Alan.
--

The length of cartridge will make no difference in that respect I have
had similar problems using plaswads which are a nightmare if they foul-
(not all brands cause the problem) and also some paperwads I found a special
looped spiral brush removed both the plastic and lead fouling . Failing that
a soak with youngs 303 or Jenolite should loosen it up before you start
scrubbing and a good Payne Galway brush will move it on very quickly
compared to the more normal brushes.
Derek

[+.com (A.Lee)]

Post by Derek

Post by +.com (A.Lee)
I've finally got my new .410 back at the weekend,
I've never seen a barrel so stuck up with this mess - the bronze brush
came out nearly solid with all the gunk it had removed.

The length of cartridge will make no difference in that respect I have
had similar problems using plaswads which are a nightmare if they foul-
(not all brands cause the problem) and also some paperwads I found a special
looped spiral brush removed both the plastic and lead fouling . Failing that
a soak with youngs 303 or Jenolite should loosen it up before you start
scrubbing and a good Payne Galway brush will move it on very quickly
compared to the more normal brushes.

I've seen such fouling only once before, and that was on another .410,
the cause then was put down to the wad melting on the bores.Mine was a
lot of lead stuck to the barrel wall, as well the the usual black gunk.
I'll try some different cartridges when I buy some more.
Ta
Alan.

[David Christensen]

*Date:* Fri, 16 Jun 2006 16:33:37 +0100

Post by Derek

Post by +.com (A.Lee)
I've finally got my new .410 back at the weekend,
I've never seen a barrel so stuck up with this mess - the bronze brush
came out nearly solid with all the gunk it had removed.

The length of cartridge will make no difference in that respect I have
had similar problems using plaswads which are a nightmare if they foul-
(not all brands cause the problem) and also some paperwads I found a special
looped spiral brush removed both the plastic and lead fouling . Failing that
a soak with youngs 303 or Jenolite should loosen it up before you start
scrubbing and a good Payne Galway brush will move it on very quickly
compared to the more normal brushes.

I've seen such fouling only once before, and that was on another .410,
the cause then was put down to the wad melting on the bores.Mine was a
lot of lead stuck to the barrel wall, as well the the usual black gunk.
I'll try some different cartridges when I buy some more.
Ta
Alan.
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I've been told it's a common problem with smaller bores and plastic wads;
in our limited [so far] playing around with our 28g guns that certainly
seems to hold true. We've shifted to fibre for the 28s purely to reduce
the cleaning load!

DC